Like the ILGM MW seeds, these nyc diesel and ethos crescendo seeds both popped out of the dirt about 48 hrs after introducing moisture. 24 hrs in the paper towel, then 24 hrs in the soil. I'm using cocoloco/mothers earth perlite/natures living soil (super soil recipe). Well see how this goes. I'm an outdoor/synthetic weed tree grower, this seems to be the exact opposite.